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Netflix AqEe56 Aug 5, 2017

It is a pleasure and an honor to work with diverse individuals who are amazing at their jobs. It's also the shame of America that black and Latino people and women are born at such a dramatic economic and cultural disadvantage that they very rarely make it through to Google level tech jobs. This document perpetuates that system by suggesting races and genders have inherently different ability to code in C++ or JavaScript or own products or administer Linux or train neural networks or manage people. The mere suggestion of that IS THE PROBLEM. If you believe that you are truly stupid. Donald Trump has brought you out of the woodwork. Imagine that... Donald Dumpster Fire Trump is your cultural ambassador. If you feel diversity is bad I strongly urge you to identify yourselves openly at your company and in public. Make your views known and state your name. Stop hiding.

Facebook LMrs81 Aug 5, 2017

Did you even read the doc?

Google kMGB77 Aug 5, 2017

I did. AqEe56 has it right.

Facebook LMrs81 Aug 5, 2017

Can you quote it on how it suggests that races and genders have unequal abilities to code?

Uber 2Tpj4u Aug 4, 2017

Diversity is stupid

Hubspot tRRC85 Aug 5, 2017

Works at uber, comment makes sense

Salesforce Shablamo OP Aug 5, 2017

You're not getting your job back, Travis.

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fcktechiez Aug 5, 2017

kys T-dog

Expedia Lamer Aug 4, 2017

Opinions of a few idiots do not represent an entire company. It's like picking a stupid thing westboro baptist church did and asking other Christians what they think on the subject

Amazon Peter Pan Aug 5, 2017

If a woman wrote a sexism manifesto it would be called an "open letter" and would be seen as calling out the company which would immediately be expected to defend itself

Expedia Lamer Aug 5, 2017

Yet you don't really see professional women writing such letters, do you?

Netflix AqEe56 Aug 5, 2017

It's more like, this guy felt emboldened to send around that document and while the only appropriate response is strong and unqualified repudiation, some people partially agree with him or say "what's the big deal" or "it's just one radical."

Microsoft Nerdz Aug 4, 2017

Unless it came from leadership who cares? The whole notion of considering gender/race in medical school, law school, high tech applications is inherently sexist/racist. Just because someone makes an argument you disagree with doesn't mean you should name call, bully or shame them. It means you should give a counter argument. I'm getting sick of this west coast witch hunt mentality. It's like when Satya made the faux pax about women not asking for raises. It was a dumb comment but doesn't mean he's sexist.

Expedia Lamer Aug 5, 2017

It does make a difference because it is highly likely that this person interviews candidates. If they really believe in this manifesto, there is a good chance they have turned down a number of qualified women just because They would be less likely to provide positive feedback for female peers and more likely to provide negatives that enforce their idea thus directly affecting other people's career.

Facebook LMrs81 Aug 5, 2017

^ that's BS, the decisions are made by a hiring committee, and interviewers are expected to provide reasoning for their hire/nohire recommendations

Expedia Lamer Aug 5, 2017

Facebook, there are a 100 ways to get someone to fail an interview with the entire hiring committee, especially if you're not the last interviewer. Thinking that the committee somehow helps with this is naive Would you stay silent and go on an interview if you knew that one of the interviewers dislikes you and hope that the hiring committee can see past it?

Pinterest panicpanda Aug 4, 2017

Guy's an idiot. That being said, it's often not a fair split. Being a single white person on a full team of Indians is just as bad as a single Indian on team of whites. both scenarios happen often. except that in the white case, it's worse due to language restriction and fear of being seen as a bigot if you complain about it.

Salesforce mlovingit Aug 5, 2017

Well learn the Indian language then. They learned yours. Just saying.

T-Mobile sFRP84 Aug 5, 2017

I blame managers for imbalanced teams. I've had Pakistani manager who coincidentally hired 4 Pakistanis in a row over a few years time and raised eyebrows. A Korean manager who hired 3 Korean in a row (one who thought apple cloud was a physical telephone model). I had one manager that truly stuck to diversified hiring practices and he was a loving man that was white. He was truly color blind and I miss his fairness.

Salesforce P.Gibbons Aug 5, 2017

I'll learn "Indian language" right after I decide to move to India and work there. Just saying.

Google HKeh50 Aug 5, 2017

It was a pretty reasonable first draft of a doc - could have used more sourcing but the basic ideas were sound and respectfully presented. Lots of people saw value in the discussion, but even more flipped out and declared that a call for reasoned discussion of an empirical question was harmful and threatening to them; management/HR is going to side with them because that's the PC police state of today's tech companies.

Talkdesk poop 💩 Aug 5, 2017

This. It's really sad that we can't have any real discussion on this town in even remotely controversial topics.

Spotify qbeforeu Aug 5, 2017

What is the "empirical question" you reference?

Google KKYK57 Aug 5, 2017

I'm afraid it was a phenomenally NOT great first draft. The ideas were profoundly not sound. If he just wanted to start with the last page, which might have been fine (conservatives SHOULD feel psychologically safe; all employees should), he should have kept it to that, without the poorly sourced pseudoscience.

Microsoft ric_ta Aug 5, 2017

Have these people been on Google campus? "Google repeatedly discriminates against people of color". I guess Indians and Chinese don't count as minorities? wtf. This is just a bunch of angry individuals who want to lower the bar so people who can't pass the interviews can be installed into positions they aren't qualified for.

Lyft fear-me Aug 5, 2017

South and east asians are not minorities in tech. And literally no one advocating for diversity has asked to lower the bar and make interviews "easier." Please get your facts right.

Microsoft ric_ta Aug 5, 2017

What does Asians not being minorities in tech have to do with it? So you basically want to redefine what a minority is so that you can cry discrimination. Any industry can do this. Is teaching being sexist against men? Where is the outrage? Fact is, tech is diverse already, and more open than any industry out there for the mat part. You're living in a bubble in your taxi hailing company. And people are absolutely advocating for lowering the bar for interviews. You just aren't listening, but can't blame you bc the rhetoric is about unconscious bias and cultural discrimination in interviews, cleverly disguised as scams for lowering the bar

Lyft fear-me Aug 5, 2017

Lowering the bar != making hiring processes more equitable.

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Uber bag Aug 5, 2017

please can you share the doc?

Salesforce mlovingit Aug 5, 2017

What's the guys name?

Uber bag Aug 5, 2017

Hey i am curious and i have some thoughts on the topic as well. If you can copy paste the doc that would be great. Anyway it's not any Google confidential info - this is personal opinion of a person. Your choice after all.

Google Max11chars Aug 5, 2017

White guy with Harvard education thinks Google discriminates white guys. He's right, probably. But them's the shakes, bro. He hasn't gotten the message yet that his lot in life is to endure all the diversity and inclusion programs and political correctness while still enjoying the world's best opportunities. Needs to shaddup and get in line, he ain't suffering

Databricks datadicks Aug 5, 2017

Ah one of those Harvard dudes

Bluebot Perry Grin Aug 5, 2017

@noodleking a degree from a respectable school does not imply the graduate to also be a respectable person. Nor, an authority , nor an expert, and not even educated on the topic.

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hRQl25 Aug 5, 2017

If you work at google signal me - 3014127324

Sovos $$$??? Aug 5, 2017

I think the manifesto is fairly reasonable. The reaction from those that disagree has been focused on shaming and that supports one of the writer's main points. I would like to see substantive responses from news outlets and twitter critics. The "this guy is bad" reactions are not productive.

Netflix AqEe56 Aug 5, 2017

The section on "women on average are more..." is insulting and apropos of nothing whatsoever. The author suggesting that the severe gender imbalances in tech are due to the natural order of things and don't necessarily need to be changed is the most backward shit ever. This is not a reasonable point of view, it's just being a total asshole.

Uber 2Tpj4u Aug 5, 2017

The author is right.

Google miCJ74 Aug 6, 2017

it's impossible to make a naturalism argument when women's role models are like Kim Kardashian, famous for simply having a nice ass. It starts at a young age. My GF has a PhD in the sciences and had to start fighting at a young age when she refused dolls and instead preferred to play with trucks and disassemble electronics while everyone thought she was a weird child for not succumbing to gender stereotypes. Her professors told her women should be home cooking. She went though to get a PhD just because so many people discouraged her. Many women gave up rather than fight.