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I joined FB last Sept and there’s a possibility I might be put in PIP after June. I have been doing 60+ hours since January and still not performing well. I also had G offer (past October) and recruiter said can extend me an offer. As I can’t survive at FB, is it worth going to Google? or am I better off trying to get into a lower tier place like Expedia, Oracle etc. I am E4 with 4 years of industry experience. I did lots of leetcoding to get in.
You should go to G and leave fb asap.
Run don't walk
Move and not worth the stress!
You said you did lots of leetcode to get in. Besides that, how do you feel about your CS foundation?
I have good CS foundation. The main reason I am slow is it takes lots of time to understand the existing code at FB and then add my code. I am in infrastructure. FB embraces move fast, but I haven’t been able to move as fast.
That should be fine in Google. We do not expect new hire to understand the whole codebase in a few months. Also, we do not have the hack culture.
Damn, this kind of stuff makes me question working at a "high tier" tech company. I genuinely like learning and programming and want to work on interesting projects but 60+ hours is not sustainable for me. I'm conflicted between staying at my "easy" job or leaving for something where I'll learn more.
“Higher tier” tech companies are a bit of a joke to be honest. They’re not really any different or better in most ways than any other tech company, they just happened to find product/market fit earlier/better and do better financially than their peers because of it. Many of them achieved that by getting lucky, not because they were particularly smart about it. Google and Facebook are great examples: the number of successful in-house developed products that didn’t come from acquisitions is abysmal. They’re like the one-hit wonders of the tech world, except in this world you can spend the money you made on your one hit buying other band’s hits and pretending they’re your own so you can seem like you’re still cool with the kids. It’s lame.
That's not true for Google. They have a lot of successful products besides search: Gmail, YouTube, Google docs, Tensorflow, Android, chrome, Google home, etc.
One of my friend is in similar position. His biggest problem - people being judged based on lines of code by managers (especially newly hired managers from MS though I don’t know if it is MS thing or FB thing) and short term thinking, review cycle is 6 months and everyone optimizes for delivering ‘anything’ in 6 months without thinking much about long term. Note that he is E5, Seattle office. He is moving to Google out of frustration.
Thanks! That’s a relief to hear I am not alone.
Why bring MS into this ? Measuring success by lines of code is not a MS thing. Seems like FB must have choke down this approach on them
Way too competition from where u are now. Jump ship ASAP
Measuring by lines of code is a ridiculous proxy.
Sometimes team fit is everything. You might be a PiP on your current team and a rockstar on the next. Don’t let it rattle you.
This
This is so effin true
Go to Google. If you can’t work out there, you will have both FB and G on resume. That will make you very valuable anywhere else. Plus, Google is like Microsoft and will give you 6 months to ramp up before you are working at 100%. Truth be told tech is brutal and ageism gets to you.
4 years of experience and claim to get ageism? lol
Why are you struggling at FB? What needs to change?
I am slow compared to my Peers. For example: The number of lines of code I land is a lot less than my peers. As per manager, I am a low performing E4 and might get MS rating (which means PIP). I need to deliver a lot more, but at putting 60+ hours I feel like I can’t do much more.
Is productivity measured by lines of code facebook? There’s probably something else. Hope you find out and improve or you can face this again in different org.