Read this story today about an 11 year old girl falsely claiming she was a victim of a hate crime: http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/toronto/scarborough-hijab-attack-1.4487716 BEFORE TAKING THE POLL - look at this: https://www.fakehatemap.com Fake hate crimes seem to be a trend. *This doesn’t mean that hate crimes do not exist and are not despicable actions.* Typically the way these fate hate crimes happen is that they are reported as fact in the media to the masses, and when the act is deemed “fake” it is isn’t often presented back to the masses. This causes an illusion that hate crimes are far more prevalent than they really are. I.e Trump is the cause... What are your thoughts? Are fake hate crimes an issue?
This is such a loaded question.
"Are fake hate crimes an issue?" What question are you even trying to ask? "Are all reported hate crimes illegitimate?" "Is there such a thing as a fake hate crime?" I don't understand what voting yes/no means.
Is this an issue. That is the question. You hear nonstop everyday about Trump and his regime being racist and these fake hate crimes are used as evidence to that. Should the masses be aware that a large part of supposed hate crimes, reported to them as fact, are actually fake?
“A large part” - can you give us statistics on what percentage of reported hate crimes are fake? I don’t think there are statistics available to be honest, but I only did a quick search.
It’s a good thing. It means we don’t have enough hate crimes that leftists have to manufacture fake ones.
There are way more unreported hate crimes than fake hate crimes.
Source?
Just a cursory google search of unreported hate crimes provides several results that are likely legitimate.
Source: The DOJ. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hcv0415.pdf
There’s blame on both sides when it comes to sensationalizing these kinds of stories. We should all strive not to fall into the trap and focus more on the statistics and trends.
Do they occur? Yes. Is it a shame that they occur? Yes. Does that mean that they are an "issue" - a word I presume you are using to code something to the effect of "worth receiving greater investigative resources and attention than they currently are"? No, not necessarily. It sounds like you're suggesting that we use evidence of hoaxes like this one (agree this girl sucks btw, hope she gets some counseling) as a justification for reacting to allegations of racism with greater skepticism as a society, at least initially. But this is the mentality that already makes minorities less willing to rock the boat by telling people they trust about times they've been treated crappily. There will always be bull allegations out there and it's a shame that the media capitalizes on "oppression porn" (which, to be fair, they only do because it makes our jaws drop) but I don't think that's grounds to start telling ourselves "the next time a black person confides in you that they get treated differently at work than their white peers, remember that sociopathic hijab girl's cry for attention and ask yourself if you can really trust the guy"
I do not disagree with you. The point I am trying to make here is that, like it or not, the media does a great job at painting a picture of the world for the masses. In this case, they have focused on the narrative that all Trump supporters are Nazis, racists, bigots and more. They have used many of these fake hate crimes as evidence to that. If confronted with a personal situation, I am sure almost everyone here would act with compassion and understanding. TLDR; The world isn’t as bad as the media makes it.
I agree that the media's aim is to sensationalize the narrative of oppression in America, but given that this is out of our control, the relevant question to me is what the masses are doing with the information available to them - and what the net impact of these stories is on our openness to the possibility of racism existing. I find the argument you make in this poll fascinating because of the signal that this particular story is getting. The original (false) story, posted three days ago on on CBC News, has 15k shares. The corrected story, posted mere hours ago on the same site (as well as CNN, HuffPo, NBC and a slew of other left-leaning news outlets), has already racked up 26k shares on CBC News alone. To me, this is evidence that many of us are a lot more excited by the opportunity to disprove allegations of racism (presumably to support the narrative you are posting about here) than we are to offer sympathy when it's first presented to us. Again, I'm glad we have the facts right now and people deserve to be disappointed in the girl's lies, but to me the phenomenon I've described is at least mildly troubling for the reason I outlined in my first comment. Just my two cents though - thanks for starting the conversation.
I don’t comment with my stance on these articles, especially when shared on social media because it’s all highly searchable if anyone were to want to want to build a case against you. Whoops did it again.
I think the issue here is that the media even ran with the story. It was NEVER a fake hate crime. It was an 11 year old being 11. My guess what happened: The girl tore or cut her scarf or her brother did. Probably just playing around, but then she gets asked by her teacher, why is your scarf ripped. Then to cover up her ordinary kid misbehavior she claimed she was attacked, and being 11 she does not have ANY idea it would go beyond her teacher. Then the police come and being 11 she can't find a way to walk back the story, then the media, then finally thinks this is out of control so she tells police the truth. At 11 that's pretty much how kids are and it's the adults here who are screwed in the head for putting an 11 year old in the media in the first place. Who here can honestly say they never fibbed to a teacher about who really damaged something? This is normal kid behavior getting blown out of proportion because the kid had a hijab. If it had been a black kid saying an Asian guy cut his bandana or a white kid saying somebody tore his shirt this wouldn't ever have gone beyond the local news, if even. It's society flipping out because the torn piece of clothing was a hijab, otherwise it's just not even news.
Any hate crime is abhorrent But people who perpetuate hoax hate crimes are the worst Now I don’t trust any hijab pulling stories or drawing of swastika stories They all turn out to be hoaxes
I'm no expert on this legal area, but it appears that in the past year many Left Extremists faked these "hate crimes" without paying any price. Is this really a gray area that no law exists about it, or is it because no prosecutors dare to penalize these evil people?
I'm this case you are over reacting to a kid fibbing about how her clothing got torn. Probably something you yourself did when you were 11. You are assuming some kind of motive that wasn't likely there. Her only motive was presumably "don't want to get in trouble for this rip in my clothes". Then couldn't walk it back when the school flipped out and called the media. Because you know, at 11, how do you deal with being pushed into the media by animated adults who are flipping out? Imagine the identical situation but a white kid claiming a bully ripped his shirt only to be caught lying that there was a bully and he actually just ripped it on a tree branch or something while horsing around with his brother. It's a big so what story blown out of proportion by people who get animated by the word "hijab".